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medal 5000
4 years 77 days ago
Hi, i race at formula zero at rookie and i was planning to promote. But a guy came with an low level account, bought one talent 20 with bad stats and he won the next race. He has a mediocre car, i know that because his other car doesn’t perform as good as his other one. I don’t understand where does this pace comer from. It isnt from tyre temps or rnd faults. Its meaningless. Can someone inform me why and how can this happen. ( I have 2 tl 20 drivers too)
 
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medal 5000
4 years 77 days ago
you have more Ballast than him, its actually quite a handicap in terms of lap time.
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medal 5000
4 years 77 days ago

Ozan
Hi, i race at formula zero at rookie and i was planning to promote. But a guy came with an low level account, bought one talent 20 with bad stats and he won the next race. He has a mediocre car, i know that because his other car doesn’t perform as good as his other one. I don’t understand where does this pace comer from. It isnt from tyre temps or rnd faults. Its meaningless. Can someone inform me why and how can this happen. ( I have 2 tl 20 drivers too)
 
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Previous stats means nothing because it can be participating in offline races. I'm surely that he knows more about the game than you (definitely he is not cheating at all). Both of his cars have different pace because he is just focusing on manage Gasly's car in the live race and he didn't repair the second car (Russell's car) in some of the races.
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medal 5000
4 years 77 days ago
I understand, yes he could be more knowledgeable than me about the game but i feel like he just buys a driver and sucseeds. Im not saying he has a bad car but our car difference isn’t that big yet he is 1 seconds faster. Can you give me tips or say the things that i should look out for ? ( I meant the drivers stats not his stats.)
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medal 5000
4 years 77 days ago (Last edited by Lai Yong Liang 4 years 77 days ago)
Ozan
I understand, yes he could be more knowledgeable than me about the game but i feel like he just buys a driver and sucseeds. Im not saying he has a bad car but our car difference isn’t that big yet he is 1 seconds faster. Can you give me tips or say the things that i should look out for ? ( I meant the drivers stats not his stats.)



Driver stats also meant nothing. If a talented driver was riding a poor car, the pace would still be very poor. Try to maintain your tyre temp in black section, pushing high in corners and pushing low on straights, not missing any DRS in the race. Your pace will get improved a lot for sure.

Maybe you don't know...actually drivers abilities are depend on the stars at the managers level
Your drivers are Lv.12 and you're Lv.13, then your driver will be 4.5 stars in your level
the guy that you mentioned having a driver who is in Lv.8, and he is only Lv.9, so his driver will be 4.5 stars in his level
so actually your drivers and his driver are giving the same performance.
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medal 5000
4 years 77 days ago
So you say its only about car performance?
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medal 5000
4 years 77 days ago
Maybe he bought an epic driver pack and indeed doesn’t repair the other car.
Might also be about using push level in a smart way, could gain you lots of time
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medal 5000
4 years 77 days ago
you have more Ballast than him, its actually quite a handicap in terms of lap time.
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medal 5000
4 years 77 days ago

Ozan
So you say its only about car performance?



your car performance, your poor managing in live race, having heavier ballast, etc...
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medal 5000
4 years 77 days ago (Last edited by Gian Michele Pisanu 4 years 77 days ago)
Lai


Maybe you don't know...actually drivers abilities are depend on the stars at the managers level
Your drivers are Lv.12 and you're Lv.13, then your driver will be 4.5 stars in your level
the guy that you mentioned having a driver who is in Lv.8, and he is only Lv.9, so his driver will be 4.5 stars in his level
so actually your drivers and his driver are giving the same performance.



This is what happens to the staff. It does not happen for the drivers, otherwise the managers level 17 and 18, with the same development skills and with the same driver skills, they would go faster than level 20 with driver level 18.

The main difference between the two managers, in addition to development and race management, is the ballast, as William rightly said.
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medal 5000
4 years 77 days ago

Gian
Lai


Maybe you don't know...actually drivers abilities are depend on the stars at the managers level
Your drivers are Lv.12 and you're Lv.13, then your driver will be 4.5 stars in your level
the guy that you mentioned having a driver who is in Lv.8, and he is only Lv.9, so his driver will be 4.5 stars in his level
so actually your drivers and his driver are giving the same performance.



This is what happens to the staff. It does not happen for the drivers, otherwise the managers level 17 and 18, with the same development skills and with the same driver skills, they would go faster than level 20 with driver level 18.

The main difference between the two managers, in addition to development and race management, is the ballast, as William rightly said.



4kg of ballast difference makes him how much faster aprox ?
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medal 5000
4 years 77 days ago
Ozan


4kg of ballast difference makes him how much faster aprox ?


It varies according to the tracks, but I think that 4 kg more can cause a gap of 6-8 tenths per lap, also he can have a higher percentage of research. Logically you can have more dp to assign, a more powerful drs and boost.
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medal 5000
4 years 77 days ago
Ballast is so broken. A newcomer just passed me beacuse he has 0 ballast. This makes no sense. This ruins the competitiveness of the game. You should be at the front if you are better. There is no reason to balance this.
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medal 5000
4 years 76 days ago
The ballast is not broken: without it, he would have no chance of winning. The ballast balances the possibility you have of having a better driver and more developed headquarters. It is clear that he is playing his cards better.
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medal 5000
4 years 76 days ago
He shouldnt have a chance of winning in his first season, while i grind for days to improve my car. It overbalances. And i do nothing wrong. I manage the temps between the grey part. I always train my drivers. I make them the best strat possible yet they still get wiped by 1 levels. Even at practice, they go faster (not because of whether.) What should i do ?
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medal 5000
4 years 76 days ago
I am in the same leauge as Ozan and let me tell you the facts: (according to my team not his)
-Statistically my car is slightly better in 4 important areas ( accelaretion, brakes, handling, downforce)
- Statistically both of my and my friend Ozan’s drivers are better then his
- In past 3 races we had exactly the same strategy
- We manage our tyres as they are supposed to be, our drivers race full health( both of them have 20 stamina btw), we race our cars fixed

I even became paranoid of searchings error in my strategy ( even if we did the same strategy ), 
I came to point where I calculate every possible tyre outcome by hand on papers ( I can send photos of it if you ask ). I appreciate the winner in any condition, but I am and my friend are frustrated that whatever we do we lose. We read a lot of forums for searching our mistakes and yet we do everything we know correct and fail. Surely there must be something we are missing or this ballast sustem seems a bit too owerpowered and unfair.
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medal 5000
4 years 76 days ago
Hey Ozan, practice times are completely irrelevant. I would ignore those, I think he should have a chance of winning in his debut season. Otherwise new rookies can struggle to stay interested, and keep playing this game. I have raced within your league and the standard is very high! Therefore promotion can be quite difficult to achieve! 

On a side note, Formula Zero has a discord group, lots of help on there to also see where you might be going wrong. They may also have an elite team with more experience, so they know what they are doing.
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medal 5000
4 years 76 days ago
Yeah i asked a lot of questions there and i dont want to be the guy that complains at every situation:). But i will still ask even if its not very often. As for the practice, i will take that in to count. thanks
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medal 5753
4 years 76 days ago

Ozan
I understand, yes he could be more knowledgeable than me about the game but i feel like he just buys a driver and sucseeds. Im not saying he has a bad car but our car difference isn’t that big yet he is 1 seconds faster. Can you give me tips or say the things that i should look out for ? ( I meant the drivers stats not his stats.)



Happened to me. I joined the league in rookie exact same day as an other guy, so we drove our first race together. We get promovated to Pro from rookie. Halfway Pro season he managed to buy a T20 level 7-8 or so. His driver had exact same stats as mine only he had 20 talent. With about 10 races to go he starting to beat managers from level 14 to level 16 while i was still struggling to get P10 and he is starting to win races.. it looks like talent is a bit broken
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medal 5000
4 years 76 days ago (Last edited by Gian Michele Pisanu 4 years 76 days ago)
Sorry guys, I try to be clearer.
The game, as it is structured, allows a lower level to compete with higher levels. It is something that I believe is right, otherwise the results of the races, when there are differences in level, would already be written at the start. Of course, the higher level must do something wrong while the lower level must make good use of what it has at its disposal.

What are the means by which a low level can beat a higher level?

1. Ballast: in the rookie and pro tiers, as there are usually high level differences, the ballast is a point in favor of the low levels. With the same development of the car and the same driver, it makes them faster on the single lap time.

2. More productive research: if a high level tends to always put a lot of dp (has more) in the same skill, a low level can take advantage of this by exploiting his higher research. By doing this, in terms of global points, it can reach and overtake the development of a higher level.

3. Race management: if the low level realizes that he is faster on the single lap time, he can use the kers to have a free track and not give drs to anyone. In this way, if the drs taken by the others does not compensate for the speed gap, he can stretch over the others every lap and go on to win.

What are the means by which a high level can use his advantage due to the level he has?

1. Driver: A high-level manager can have a much faster driver than a low-level driver, and can train him to 1 or 2 levels higher than the manager's level. Also, a high level is much more likely to find a T20 driver on the market. This is a very important speed advantage over lap time.

2. He can assign more DP each race: logically, if he gives a lot of research at low levels by putting all the points on a single skill, they will benefit. If he divides the points between two skills, for example, he makes better use of his advantage.

3. Race management: a high level has a much more powerful drs and boost. It is a very important advantage, because it can follow faster drivers using the boost, and thanks to the more powerful drs it can stay with them without problems, taking advantage of their higher speed. In case of equal speed, there is no way for a low level to compete with a high level, precisely because of this aspect.

I add a note regarding the "ballast problem". It often happens that in the elite (where there is no ballast for the higher levels), lower level managers can beat higher levels. This is possible only if the lowest level makes better use of the research and has an optimal management of the race. Just to clarify that these two aspects are not "secondary" to the ballast, but they leave a lot of freedom of action and are very important.
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medal 5000
4 years 76 days ago

Gian
Sorry guys, I try to be clearer.
The game, as it is structured, allows a lower level to compete with higher levels. It is something that I believe is right, otherwise the results of the races, when there are differences in level, would already be written at the start. Of course, the higher level must do something wrong while the lower level must make good use of what it has at its disposal.

What are the means by which a low level can beat a higher level?

1. Ballast: in the rookie and pro tiers, as there are usually high level differences, the ballast is a point in favor of the low levels. With the same development of the car and the same driver, it makes them faster on the single lap time.

2. More productive research: if a high level tends to always put a lot of dp (has more) in the same skill, a low level can take advantage of this by exploiting his higher research. By doing this, in terms of global points, it can reach and overtake the development of a higher level.

3. Race management: if the low level realizes that he is faster on the single lap time, he can use the kers to have a free track and not give drs to anyone. In this way, if the drs taken by the others does not compensate for the speed gap, he can stretch over the others every lap and go on to win.

What are the means by which a high level can use his advantage due to the level he has?

1. Driver: A high-level manager can have a much faster driver than a low-level driver, and can train him to 1 or 2 levels higher than the manager's level. Also, a high level is much more likely to find a T20 driver on the market. This is a very important speed advantage over lap time.

2. He can assign more DP each race: logically, if he gives a lot of research at low levels by putting all the points on a single skill, they will benefit. If he divides the points between two skills, for example, he makes better use of his advantage.

3. Race management: a high level has a much more powerful drs and boost. It is a very important advantage, because it can follow faster drivers using the boost, and thanks to the more powerful drs it can stay with them without problems, taking advantage of their higher speed. In case of equal speed, there is no way for a low level to compete with a high level, precisely because of this aspect.

I add a note regarding the "ballast problem". It often happens that in the elite (where there is no ballast for the higher levels), lower level managers can beat higher levels. This is possible only if the lowest level makes better use of the research and has an optimal management of the race. Just to clarify that these two aspects are not "secondary" to the ballast, but they leave a lot of freedom of action and are very important.


Spot on.
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