Rejected

Research

You should not be able to see which car is the best or has the most developed car in certain designs. 

Its a manager game, you should manage and make your own conclusions and decisions on which part of the car developed you would like to improve. 

Now what is basically happening::  you just put all your research power behind the part that you can see where you're under developed and so you improve.......whereas if you don't know or can see it will take more decision making to improve critical developments

Think about that

If there's no graph to indicate better developed teams then how is research going to be calculated. Do you just want the same standard amount of points for every race? That would be pretty boring to be honest because then every manager would get the exact same research points for every race. I think the way research is done now is one of the most interesting and competitive parts of the game besides the racing itself. If you could only see your own development graph it would take away a big part of the competitive feeling from the research side of the game.

Rejected within 2 hours.  Dang.

I only play on my phone, so it does not show who is ahead in each category. This is a game of trial and error. For last 2 seasons I have found a system of research that has improved my car greatly.

Hahaha.....so closed minded. That not what I said.

You just want to be told where you laging behind a better team instead of figuring it out for yourself and improving your own car. You just want to improve your car on someone else's development instead of creating your own car design and improved car.

I did not say everyone must get the same points, please re-read,  I agree your facility development should play a role in how many point u get per race but where you research must be your own decision,  NOT based on where the best team is and juat copy that. 

As a manager you should be able to make such decisions without a "graph" telling u where u are ahead in development or behind. 

if I'm correct in thinking that your suggestion is to only be able to see your own development and no one elses can you explain to me Quehan, how do your research gains work if you have no competition to research against? 

Its not a matter to research against something rather to develop your own car as a team.

You want to be spoon fed to be shown where you a behind or infant i  development. 

As a manager, you should run and manage your own team and car development on your own and not be shown where to copy another teams car.

Your research will still work the same, improve certain areas of design but you are just not shown where u are ahead or behind.......that u must figure out urself 

You as a manager should be part of the races and figure out  "I'm struggling on acceleration......or on tyre wear....or on cooling " instead you want to be spoon fed with such information in order for you to focus on those specific areas of development. 

I'm telling you:: your car development would look differently it you as a manager had to develop your own car without the help to show what other teams development look like, and so would every other managers car development as this is a strategic individual game where a person must think to out smart and out develop you opponents. 

Like it ......don't like it. I personally think this game can be more challenging that way

@Quehan... So we gain design points in two diiferent ways in this game. Firstly through our design facility in the HQ and secondly through our resaerch carried out during each of our races by the combined strength of our chief designer and technical director. But you still haven't answered my question, do you only want to be awarded design points from the HQ and you want researched design points to be scrapped altogether? If not and you wish research to continue, how do you propose that we gain those research points if there is no opposition to research against? 

See, the way the game functions now means that research can be done effectively or ineffectively depending on the manager, which makes it all the more interesting and somewhat realistic.  Rarely will two teams ever have the exact same car during a season, not until much closer to the time where designs are maxed. So research plays a huge role in this game creating diversity in every team throughout every league and without it, it just wouldn't be the same! So if you want to keep research, which I think is obviously necessary for this game, then how would you award those research points without having a scale to measure against your competitors? 

I'm not as experienced as all of you guys but honestly he's right.

It would be very harder to improve the car and you would have to closely look at the sector times in track during races to know where you are losing something.
The gap between players would be very different.

I think his idea is to keep research but hide the data where we see wich team is better or not.

But well, seems this idea is not liked by a majority of players. Anyway the game is also good like it is.

See that's exactly why I don't like this idea, most high level managers will be experienced enough to have a good CD/TD. In that case you will have the exact same gains for every high level team across all races. That's really predictable, repetitive and tedious, offering very little diversity in the process, to be honest. 

You said in a comment above - "You want to be spoon fed to be shown where you a behind or infant i  development. As a manager, you should run and manage your own team and car development on your own and not be shown where to copy another teams car. Your research will still work the same, improve certain areas of design but you are just not shown where u are ahead or behind.......that u must figure out urself" ..... I believe you're contradicting yourself here because now you're saying the game should come back and "show you" where you are ahead or behind in 6 out of your 8 areas of development!

As regards me saying research can be effective or ineffective, don't you think the same principles apply in real life situations? Of course they do, you will always have teams who will benefit from more productive research over other teams, whether that be from higher budgets or the skill of those employed or both! 

Haha Pualo now u just grasping at straws.

I'm not contradiing myself. : I said your CD just gives you advice but its up to the manager to make the decision where he would want the improvement to go.

Example: I improve on 5 research areas every race as that where it shows I'm behind regrlardless. So I will always just be 1 or 2 points behind the best, and I'm happy with that but so I know I have to tick those boxes. BUT I'm creaming the field ib acceleration AS I AS A MANAGER decided to use all my HQ research points in that area of development. I decided to compensate the lack of handling or downforce or cooling for more speed. And that's what I trying to say, every person must think and do his own development.

Or even better: a follow up on the advice the CD gives. He only gives u advice on the boxes you've tick, and if your percentage research that was allocated to that particular area he does not give u advice as your research capabilities are spread to thin.....?

I dont see your point in your comment regarding better CD/TD for more improved managers as i said::  your research point will be gained on your star rating. 
So if a player lv 5 has a 4 star lv 5 CD.....he will gain the same amount of research point as a player lv 10 with a 4 star lv 10 CD........ 4 point ??‍♂

Please read carefully what i say before u answer and shoot down an idea.

I see you're a high lv player, so this will obviously to make thing harder for u thats why u against it before even taking in that key points I made!

It was just a suggestion to the developer,  he can disregard it or run with it. It will just make the game more competitive and interactive,  makes managers think a little to beat the competition 

If as you suggested, your cd/td returns after each race to give you feedback on 6 out of your 8 areas of development , this is the same as the game showing you your strengths and weaknesses. Which is exactly what you were opposed to earlier on. You also make it seem like as if a manager is obliged to make certain decisions the way it is now, but every manager has many alternative research options available to them after every race but it's entirely up to the individual which way they want to research their next development. You are not forced into a path, it's still up to you as the manager to make the decision which way you want to go.

You mentioned lower level players will also have cd/td with equal star ratings as higher level manager, that is true. So how do you expect these guys to be able to catch up to the more developed managers like the way it is now. If they had equal research power the game would feel very unbalanced for them and they would always be left behind.I

I don't think what you suggested would make things harder, I just don't think it's a good idea!

Pualo.....I'm not going to explain or convince someone that closed to improvement to the game.

What you try to defend and what u say is exactly what's happening now that I don't like. 

But yea, as i probably should have said this long time ago......this way of thinking would just make thing harder for a person like urself that that reliase on a graph to show u were ur behind instead of thinking and figuring it out for urself. 

How is a lower lv player in anycase gain on a higher lv player in a season more than with just the 5 or so research points except where that player is new and the competition is much much further ahead.

U as a manager must make sure u have a decent rated CD/TD to gain research points......its all about managing ur team and fund as we all started with the same amount of cash.

Instead of giving ideas how we can improve on my idea, you'll rather try to find faults instead of highlighting a possible flaw and suggest how we can improve on that

Hahaha Kevin....I guess you're one of those managers thats got "years of experience"

Haha......The why do u upgrade ur HQ if u don't get additional research/development point.
Your quote """for example your headquarters don't give you research points, they have nothing to do with research)"""  all I have to say to u is lol.......

You dont know what you're talking about.....lol 

Please don't prevent the game to improve just because you guys think it "might" be to difficult because you will actually needed to think for a change......which I guess is too much for u if I read your reply attacking my suggestion 

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Design points and research points are different things. Design points is generated from your level of Design HQ and on the other side, research point is generated from your TD. Lower team will get higher research power/point. Your car design in the beginning of the season is generated by CD.
Whatever the supermod said is true.

Thank u Mr. Lai

Atleast you've got an IQ on how things work and can be improved.  Unlike some of our managers that has 932 races but still is content to keep moving forward with NO skills of having to think....strategies on how u can improve your team individually and not just following the next best team as some other managers suggested is appropriate . 

Lai Yong is in agreement with the players who are trying to help you to understand how the game works. You don't want to see your opponents design points to establish where you are trailing behind because you feel it takes away from the managers ability to exercise their own decision making process in research development of the car but then you suggest that research should work by getting advice and feedback from your cd. This is very much the exact same thing but without the graph. You will still have the game help you and guide you in your decision making process rather than doing it alone. So I think you are confused in exactly what you want from the research side of the game.


Quehan, as you pointed out earlier, each attribute displays the best team. This doesn't necessarily mean that they are the most developed team, it only means that they are the most developed in that particular attribute. Interestingly the most developed team need not be the best in any particular area but instead have their points spread throughout each attributes which totals higher than all of their opponents. So even though you choose to research the best team in one particular area doesn't mean that it's always the right choice! There are many different strategies deployed by managers where research is concerned and what may look like the obvious one to you may be completely different to a manager who has a lot more experience and success in the game! So your idea that all managers will always take what you would consider to be the best approach just because it looks that way to you, may be very different to how they want to do things!

 ⚠️ Hello,

In order to keep the forum a safe and enjoyable place please calm down your vocabulary. This is a one time warning. 

The suggestion was rejected for obvious reasons so I proceed to close the topic.