Commercial

Hey

I have a few questions, just purchased the Commercial Merchandise seller

1) How much income do you make and is the income made determind by the level they are, number etc?

2) I guess the more people you have the more you sell?

As far as I know - yes to both

To be honest, it's a waste of time buying it unless you can set a reasonable amount of marketers on it.

When I had 4-8 marketers on it (2 per each item) I was only making about $130,000 per race. Now that I have set 61 marketers to it, I'm making a lot more. About $690,000 per race if I remember correctly.

You'll probably find that unless you're level 8, you won't be able to put many marketers on, because you'll need heaps of designers atleast until you can purchase the wind tunnel and the other design booster (I forget what it's called sorry) .. Once you have them you only need about 20 designers so you can set most of your staff on marketing.

^ As above Jake is correct,

BUT... for the initial 10m output with 24 marketers it takes me 24 races to break even, and everything after that is pure profit [422k a race currently] i could put more staff on it but theres not much point as i have money to burn and still running at a massive profit

If your gonna run a lot less staff then it will take you longer before you start profiting from it, Depends how much you will miss 10m i suppose

Tip: Fire your commercial manager and tell him to take the technical director with him.
Fire them?
Yep!
They don't have any effect. Commercial staff is able to deal it all alone and a technical manager does nothing than estimatng wrong fuel consumptions and cost money.
You really, really don't need them at all. Dismiss 'em, until a secret and hidden update does fix that and tells you, you are using an exploit...
Believe me: Your pit stop times won't drop the least bit. Mechanics and engineers and their level of skill is all you need.
Save your money to get even richer. ;-)

There seem to be far too many things still not implimented in the game. One of the co-developers (level  8) runs away with the races and only has a designer with level1. His technichal director also is only level 1. Commercial manager: 2.

Of course he knows more. Clever that is, but we "normals" have to find out the hard way by spending millions of money for useless staff.

I have the feeling someone is deliberatly steeling our time.

So Lord Hesketh is absolutely right: Fire your commercial manager, fire your technical manger, and get a low level designer to save money to engage better drivers.

Forget the actual season (unless you have a car design between 85 and 100 per cent), develop for next season and run away with the races then.

Absolutely boring and i am honestly thinking about leaving this kindergarden.
Three years of development? I can not believe it.

That last post is absolutely shocking. Attitude is even worse.

If you're talking about me Mike than I can only say that this is not the truth.
First of all I have a level 8 Chief Designer not a level 1 as you mentioned.

I'm in my 5th season and I started the 3rd with a 100% car. Therefore I was not able to get good results in my 4th season where I developed my actual car which is pretty good. All relevant information is written in the forums. Everyone can read that and decide what he wants to do.

so if every marketer is earning lets say $10,000 a race for you each, then its going to take an awful long time to repay the $10,000,000 for the merchandise facility. add to that whatever your commercial managers wage is so. if your commercial managers wage is say 200,000 you need 21 marketers to make $1 profit. think about that. and youll never buy/use marketing ever again.

I gave you the rough numbers above, 24 races to start making a profit with only 24 marketers[422k+ a race] although if i played about with it i could prob make more... 

Tbh I have a level 1 marketing director [as from experience i make more profit than paying a level 9 wages], I have a lv9 technical director, level 9 Chief Designer & lv 8 doctor [just because there was no1 better at level 9]

Also the money saved from hiring a lv1 designer will be offset by the fact you can no longer design a 100% car, and the % increases will massively less 

@ Nico, Yes, sorry, your designer is level 8. But how about your technical director?

Regarding the rest: Don' t you think it is quite senseless to have a good car for one season and as a result a bad car the next and so on and so on. Takes the fun out of it. When three or four (or even half of the) managers develop their car for next season, then they will run for the championship next year and the others can go to sleep.

And the next season fortunes will be turning again. Wouldn't it be much nicer to compete with cars that  are in a range of let's say between 85 and 95 per cent continuously beacuse of continuously development?

There are so many unlogical things in this game that I (and I know some others too) are continuously developing a fading interest in the game.

And I only believe in statistics that I faked myself: 5000 members as published some weeks agfo sounds much. To know how many are still active or have been active in the last let's say 30 days would be much more interesting. My guess is that not more than 1800 managers are still "alive". And when the next "updtae" will not be a radical improvement the number will decrease.

Please do not get me wrog: I do like IGP Manager, but there are too many senseless parts in it. Just one example: What sense does it make to evaluate your partners? None at all. Just forget it. And therefor: Forget the mobile home as well. Save the money.

@Mike:
My TD is an auto-signed TD. The only thing a TD does is wasting money after 1 season. Why should I waste money on something without any effect?
Why should that be senseless? It's a managers decision. And you might not know but my car was not a 100% car this season. I started with 85-90%.
And car design is not everything. Michael started with 100% in this season and he didn't managed it to win a single race. So you can win with a car that is not at 100%. And you will be compatible in the season again after that.

Proposal: Tell the people, whats there and whats not at the moment.
I spent millions for a technical engineer, until i found out, I don't need them at all.
I spent a lot on a commercial manager, until I found out, I don't need it.
I spent a lot time on raising the relationships with every sponsor, partner and driver, until I found it useless as well, cause I only have the very same partners for the rest of my life, until my engines, tyres and fuel do cost only 1 $ per unit... ;-)
I use only four sponsors at very high levels until the start of the game and I just may need 4 in addition to have another possibility for one race in case I actbeing to greedy.
Drivers I don't need to compliment, as I have to fire them anyway after latest two seasons to get a much more talented one and those are new for that moment, so I hardly can compliment them long before (if they are good enough, they are hired anyway from someone else long before).
Also people should know, that there is anyway no reason to have a look for a moralistic and charismatic type of any staff. Its useless to spent a lot of money for those, as its not implemented from my point of view.
You need whatever designer (can be the clown from your highschool class) and (I assume) the worst medical is doing fine as well (mine cost 57000 $ and is level one).
This way I save millions per race and everything is fine.
And if you need money: Don't design for some races, get 190 marketeers, set it all up exactly the way we all know, get 100 for clothing, 90 for games and make around 2,5 millions every race without having staff wages, even if you are spectacularly unsuccessful. Your sponsors are fine with you too even than and you can go on telling every single person in the world that they are "the best whatever in the world" (who needs those other compliment-stages, when even that one is more than questionable?)

I love the game. I love the races. I wish you success. Really.
And beside I still don't know, what the livery is for or what I should do with testing-laptimes (shuld I set up a car the driver doesn't like than?) I really would like to see the game finished. There are so many things showing up having no effect at all, I sometimes get really angry.

I also would love to get informed about the dates when updates are done. ;-)

We must take into consideration, that we are paying customers. No matter how much one pays, that changes the name of the game of course.

I do have very good feelings about the software. I like Jack, as far as I can say. I like a lot of things.

But I have to say: Thats not the way a product should be done.

Sorry for that, really. From the bottom of my heart: I will not go on like this.

Please don't take that as a rant, although it may sound like that. I just can't keep it any longer for myself an hope something changes. I will wait for the next major update before I decide.

Now I am quiet again. ;-) Sorry again.