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Tire Wear a Trivial Thing nowadays?

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John Doe medal 5005
13 years 217 days ago Translate
Saving or spending fuel is what drives our strategies, tire wear is no longer concerned as it doesn't seem to effect our Grip Levels.
At the moment I run my data from the following values of tire wear:
  • 100% to 60%
  • 60% to 40%
  • 40% to 20%
  • 20% to 0%

and I barely see any difference until my tires actually puncture at 0%.

*For notes and references, I use a theorycraft team to stress test or setup test certain developments and try to deploy those onto my main team.

Back to my point, I don't see tires playing an important role anymore which is a shame.
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Jason Lee medal 5000
13 years 217 days ago
They do still play an important role I think. I've recently won races at Abu Dhabi and Brazil by 6 stopping compared to 5 stopping, and I'm prettty sure my extra pace was from fresher tyres and not so much fuel loads, since the difference is so minimal between the two. But yeah, it's not completely right I don't think. 90% of it is about fuel loads.
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John Doe medal 5005
13 years 217 days ago
I mean like the Grip levels lowering cause of lack of rubber left on the tire. Shouldn't the Grip fall along with the tire's life?
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Youen Vyme medal 5000
13 years 217 days ago
tyre grip does drop as the tyre lowers doesnt it? it sure does for me. most of my lap times read about the same throughout the middle of the stint, but at the same time im running lighter every lap, so i can only assume my tyres are slower and slower every lap
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thiago silva medal 5000
13 years 214 days ago Translate
You can feel the grip of the tyre getting bad after they start cooling forcing you to push more and more. 

The problem is that you can start to push to keep the tyres gray and recover any loss of time the tyre is giving you. 

One way to fix this is to make sure that even a 10% tyre will still have the same heat problems as a 50% tyre.  So you will be forced to keep your pace. 
Another way to fix it is to increase grip loss enough to make sure the fuel loss is not enough to compensate.  With this i think a 50% tyre would already start to give problems to racers.

The problem of option 2 its making the 4+ stops strategys too good. Something about the pit stops would need to be done too to avoid that.

What i really would want to see is more stats for the tyres.  Making more difficult to see what company is the best, sometimes making sure that no real best exist as tyres from company X can be better for hot races and other company have tyres better for low temperature races.    This is a problem that real F1 face sometimes. 
 

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John Doe medal 5005
13 years 213 days ago
"thiago
You can feel the grip of the tyre getting bad after they start cooling forcing you to push more and more. 



The problem is that you can start to push to keep the tyres gray and recover any loss of time the tyre is giving you. 



One way to fix this is to make sure that even a 10% tyre will still have the same heat problems as a 50% tyre.  So you will be forced to keep your pace. 

Another way to fix it is to increase grip loss enough to make sure the fuel loss is not enough to compensate.  With this i think a 50% tyre would already start to give problems to racers.



The problem of option 2 its making the 4+ stops strategys too good. Something about the pit stops would need to be done too to avoid that.



What i really would want to see is more stats for the tyres.  Making more difficult to see what company is the best, sometimes making sure that no real best exist as tyres from company X can be better for hot races and other company have tyres better for low temperature races.    This is a problem that real F1 face sometimes. 

 





Limited tire supply would make races far more interesting.
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thiago silva medal 5000
13 years 212 days ago Translate
I Agree, but that alone would not change the problem. 

Forcing racers to use both tyres and making sure to make Soft and Harder a bigger decision.  Speed vs Endurance. 

As of now i barely see a difference beetween hard and soft.  Yes 1 last longer and is harder to heat up, but i don´t see the hard being worse in performance.  While both are cold yes, but after they heat up its the same thing to me. 

I also think Fuel Weight make drivers lose too much time, making 1 or 2 pit strategys almost always a sure loss vs strategys that goes with 3-4 pits.  Mostly because pits in this game are fast with sometimes the team losing only 10 to 20s when in real life if i remember right the pit is more like 20-30s counting in and out.   Those +10s can make a huge difference if you are going for 3-4 stops.  

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Horse White medal 5000
13 years 212 days ago Translate
We are already working on the tyres.
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John Doe medal 5005
13 years 212 days ago
"Nico
We are already working on the tyres.


Pirelli is faster than you. Did you understand the message Nico?
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