Allow fuel adjustments post qualifying, pre race

Can I just add that there is a lot more in the coding of the qualifying and races than tyres, wear of parts, weather and amount of fuel.  If it was that easy then there would be no fun in the game at all.  I agree that some of the qualifying parameters need modifying but it isn't 'broken'.  It will be 'tweaked' at some point.

Yes, but in real life you can pass people who are slower than you. In iGP you can't. (OK, you can SOMETIMES, but in comparison to real life, it's not balanced right - Drivers barely ever pass another driver if the tyre temps are held right, you only really see them pass someone when their tyres are overheated or too cool)

What? Do you mean to say your first stint fuel load plays a part in qualifying aswell?

Well, the real problem is that passing slower cars in this game is just way too hard and completely unrealistic. Cars that are 2-3 seconds per lap slower than you can hold you up for multiple laps while your driver doesn't even attempt to pass them - Even under DRS. This has been noted on the forums almost a year ago now and Andrew acknowledged the problem, but nothing has been done about it yet (or if it has, it needs to be readdressed because the changes weren't anywhere near effective enough)

In 2009 they could choose the fuel that they did quali with. If we all had that option it would be allot more strategic. If they wont give us that option then atleast let us choose our fuel load after seeing the grid. Not only would it help the randomness but it would allow managers to try different stratergies. Being able to choose different tyres would be cool too but only if we had to use both compounds. Obviously the top 10 should start on the quali tyre :)

Stevie Wonder could see that there is an issue with Qually.  :)

But no Rob, you see... Nico never had any issues with qualifying.

Therefore we must be seeing things that aren't there and we are just incompetent fools who can't make our strategies work because the game is giving us bullshit starting places to begin with.

Or we are all blinder than Stevie Wonder. You take your pick.

Damn, this suggestion was so simple if you read my opening post - but look at what a mess you guys made.

We are defending the point of this change, that would be nice for everybody, and you call it a mess?

I would love someone who thinks things are right to explain my driver Jacob Taylors qually results.

He has been the fastest driver by a country mile on many occations and it put him top 5 qually each time with every 5th or 6th race outside to top 10.. Sometimes 12th or on many occations, 15th..

It did the same thing to Ethan this year with his driver who was domination the start of the season.. Then he went from pole for the first few races of the season and then bang.. His driver comes in at 12th with his 2nd driver on pole who couldn't make a top 8 at the time..

Has someone else noticed that your 2nd driver sudenly shoots up the places when your main driver has a bad qually result.. Each time Jacobs results have come in bad.. my 2nd driver claims pole.. Exactly the same thing happened with Ethans...

Rob, see PM. (in a few minutes, I'm writing one now)

Black and White sir.. ;)

or.. if it will take a little bit of time for the developers to "tweak" the qualification phase.. I guess the quickest workaround for them is to add 5-10 mins in-between qualifying and the race itself so that "online" managers could still change their setups "based on how their drivers qualified".. though this will not of a big impact for me as I do AFK racing most of the time, but for those guys who takes their time to be online, I guess this could be a reasonable workaround.

There are some very decent arguments being put forth on both sides. Personally I'm against adding any "adjustment" phase after qualifying, and I'll try to explain my reasoning as logically as possible.

First, this is yet another thing that puts people who don't attend races live at a huge disadvantage. For example, there's a racer in my league who's maybe been to one race since I've been playing, but he always does pretty well. However, he's plagued by the typical problem of people who don't show up--his tires take awhile to heat up, and then they just keep heating and go off after awhile. Still, he's won nearly a third of the races this season because he's very good at his race strategies.

However, what happpens if he outqualifies us on a normal day (which is perfectly reasonable since his driver is quite good) and the rest of us were able to change our strategies to be a lot faster than him out of the gate? Well, we'd probably pass him on the first lap and leave him in the dust as his tires stayed cool for two or three laps longer than ours. It just wouldn't be fair to be able to counteract his strategy because we had information that he didn't.

Second, If you qualified badly and you're stuck behind traffic, you have the entire race to compensate. Change your stint lengths or tire choices for the latter stints. There's more than one way to win a race, and if you're losing because you qualified badly, you might need to consider less constraining strategies (that is to say, choose a strategy that's capable of winning whether you're on pole or not). During my league's last race, I managed to overcome a 10 second gap because me and my opponent were acting and reacting to our current paces. It was an incredible race that had me terrified until the end, and I did it all after qualifying behind a much slower driver and losing a huge quantity of time in the first five laps.

Third, changing a fundamental part of the game like that seems like such a low priority compared to either a) tweaking the current qualifying system to be, I guess, more fair (though I'll be honest, I've never been in a situation where I've felt I was treated unfairly by qualifying), or b) any number of other game upgrades that we've been promised and are still waiting on.

And fourth, and this is a totally unimportant and entirely personal reason, but I'm a big fan of parc ferme. It forces you to hope for the best but plan for the worst.

At any rate, I think something that might really be useful when it comes to this discussion is a look at what factors actually affect qualifying position. Obviously tires and fuel levels affect things, as do driver stats. But which stats besides the speed-based ones? And are there hidden stats that affect things? I've heard the notion that how skilled a driver is at a certain track can make a difference (some drivers "like" some tracks better than others). Are there other hidden stats that make a difference? Are the providers' hidden stats affecting things (do Murk engines have a lower rev limit and therefore do worse at Monza?)? These answers are probably more worthwhile than just uprooting the current system.

P5 and P30 today, with the best car on the grid. 0.7 off the pace with my driver on P30. He's level 15, 20 talent, 20yo. For instance,  a team with a lower car and a level 10 driver (who doesn't even have max physical yet!) was 7 tenths quicker than me, on P4. How is this not random? This makes absolutely no sense..

Elcio, I think you're taking a rather blinkered view on it...

Look at this way:

Yes, Nico is in an Elite tier on his own... at the moment... but, and here's the kicker; to get to an elite tier he had to race, competetively, against at least eight teams.  A little bit more research - more than clicking on the current league and scoffing - shows that in fact Nico's experience hasn't had two podiums every race which one must therefore assume that there were other people he was racing against.

My fiancee was working last night so I slept in our bed alone. Just because that was my situation at that moment in time, doesn't mean I haven't ever slept with a girl - or in fact know nothing about girls at all... does it?

I think we are straying from the point. This thread is to discuss the suggestion to allow strategy changes after quailfying is complete. Whether we find qualifying to be a flawed process has already been debated at considerable length in the past & is a judgement call based on one's own experiences.

I would support the opportunity to change strategy after qualifying is published

The qualifying process needs a serious improvement. Usually I start at top 3, I have the best car of my league (cloning design says this), and it's really a lot annoying change the race strategy to have a nice start position putting less fuel and start on softs and have the disgusting surprise of a 8th start place.

The lottery has to end.